An Interview with Corey Thuen of Gravwell.

Dale and Corey discuss the value of a normalized, taxonomized approach to SIEM, which Dr. Anton Chuvakin has famously claimed is doom to fail. Corey is sympathetic to this view and tries to explain it to Dale.

The alternative is gathering and creating a data lake with more log data and pcaps that can be used by threat hunters and customized rules.

The conversation continues with what types of integration would be helpful between the OT detection products and whatever is used for organization wide detection and response, the packet encryption challenge, and the preference to just buy a product.

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